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Title: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Ed on February 11, 2013, 11:41:45 AM
I have had a lot of people ask "Why have you not released Survivor Z for Android Devices?"  Well, the best way to answer that is with a question; "What kind of Android Device do you have?"

And no matter what answer they provide, they have answered the question of why we don't have an Android build, or at least a big part of it. 

The reason is really simple and two fold, and believe it or not, not about which platform is "superior" 
for a developer, it comes down to this:

1. Android devices are not identified as a single group or even several groups.  They are literally thousands of different devices, all with their own unique processor families, screen sizes, resolutions, and even operating system versions.  And no matter how cool you are, you can go broke trying to release a game that works on even half of them.  This is called "Device Fragmentation" in the business, and while a free market is beautiful, standardization favors the developer.     

2. The other reason is mostly cultural, and I say this at the risk of sounding judgmental and condescending, but I am basing my statements on purely empirical evidence that completely supports this hypothesis:
Android users do not prefer to buy apps, they prefer to get them for free.  I don't have a problem with that, the Operating system is free, the devices are much cheaper than the Apple Stuff, and the Google Play market is practically open anything goes compared to the rather regimented Apple App Store, believe me, I get it.  But you must also believe that a developer who loves (with every fiber of our being) loves making games that we want to do this and nothing else, but we can't quit our day jobs if we don't make money.  And the Google Play market simply doesn't earn you anywhere near the money that Apps in the App Store can make, and thats just the way it is.   

No matter how you slice it Fruit Ninjas, the Android market is a comparatively weak market to make money in.  Google has made it easy to upload any app that you make, and that has brought a lot of apps into the market, but by doing so, they have driven down quality, as well as customer expectations, and made it increasingly difficult for a small developer to crack that market, and even if they do, device fragmentation is waiting on the other side of the door to hit them right between the eyes.     

We are trying to include an Android Version, but for us to spend that time and money it has to make sense.  And I hope it does soon.  In the end, the two options that really look the most promising are just targeting a few of the larger device families, such as the Samsung Galaxy, the Kindle Fire and the Nook HD.  (And everyone who doesn't have one of those just felt a pang in their heart) - which only reinforces the point. 

Unfortunately, I can't say definitely if that will happen, and I certainly can't speculate as to when.  I would say that if we did it at all, it would make the most sense to do it in the Spring, while we still have some of our launch momentum. 

~ Ed
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Arcsbane on June 23, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
Now that the app is free, is an Android release being revisited? I have at least three friends who very much would love to play, but do not have an Apple phone.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: thock321 on June 24, 2013, 09:51:38 AM
Now that the app is free, is an Android release being revisited? I have at least three friends who very much would love to play, but do not have an Apple phone.
Nope, and the reasons are in Ed's post.  They still stand whether or not the app is free.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: god on June 24, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Now that the app is free, is an Android release being revisited? I have at least three friends who very much would love to play, but do not have an Apple phone.
Nope, and the reasons are in Ed's post.  They still stand whether or not the app is free.

This is correct and is why Ed posted it.... Try to read before asking a question that was answered in many ways in the creation of the topic.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Arcsbane on June 24, 2013, 03:37:52 PM
I understand the post. I didn't "try to read" it, I did read it. My question is valid, I believe. Fifty percent of the reason given above is that Android users prefer free apps. Now that the app is free, that part of the post seems irrelevant to their new business model. In the context of the new business model, I ask if device fragmentation is too big a hurdle to overcome. No need for nastiness or puffed chests. Just a simple question.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: -Genocidal Wings- on June 24, 2013, 03:57:48 PM
The question would be, is it worth it for them to potentially invest in such a thing?
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Arcsbane on June 24, 2013, 04:44:10 PM
Agreed, Genocidal Wings. I don't know how successful the game has been, but this post seems outdated now that the app is free. Will Android support now be a stretch goal or just not considered until way into the future. Like I said, I do have a few friends who are very very interested in this game, and they spend as much as I do on things like this (which is way more than I probably should), but they lack the iPhones.

Edit - worded poorly, cleaned up text
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: ryan on June 24, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
Here are a couple of interesting reads:

http://www.zdnet.com/its-revenue-not-market-share-thats-attracting-devs-to-ios-7000016615/

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/04/17/apple-ios-still-revenue-champ/

At some point I think taking Survivor Z to other platforms will make sense, but our immediate focus is finishing the iOS version and making it as great as possible.

Ryan
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Arcsbane on June 24, 2013, 08:00:44 PM
That second link has some incredible statistics. Thanks for sharing that. I completely understand your decision to focus on the iOS. That said, I hope Survivor Z explodes in popularity and an Android version becomes more realistic.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: RAIDERRED on June 26, 2013, 11:21:19 AM
Will it come??? Pleas!!!
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Treknishion on June 26, 2013, 01:27:12 PM
Will it come??? Pleas!!!

It won't come for awhile. Please pay attention to what's already been said before you post.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: RAIDERRED on June 26, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
Will it come??? Pleas!!!

It won't come for awhile. Please pay attention to what's already been said before you post.
Sorry I did not reach that conclusion from the previous posts
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Capt. Stokes on December 16, 2013, 12:54:41 AM
Hey it's been pretty close to a year since u said that Ed and I think the game has gotten pretty much MOST not all but mostly all the big features. So why do u guys try and release it on galaxy, amazon, and the other one by the time u started this topic how bout it. Wanna give it a go ed n Ryan?
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Ryguy114 on December 16, 2013, 06:51:47 AM
They've already announced that work on an android version will begin in January.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: god on December 16, 2013, 07:00:49 AM
Hey it's been pretty close to a year since u said that Ed and I think the game has gotten pretty much MOST not all but mostly all the big features. So why do u guys try and release it on galaxy, amazon, and the other one by the time u started this topic how bout it. Wanna give it a go ed n Ryan?

You need to be patient. They are focusing on the IOS version and then will move to the android version.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Misslecar on December 16, 2013, 03:52:34 PM
App inventor is an online thing used to create android apps, And it is absolutely diffrent from the ios creators. I Belive that ios should be put first, But Expanding to android would increase profit.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Ryguy114 on January 18, 2014, 09:50:46 AM
Any more news on the android version? I'd assume that it is being worked on as announced, but it would be nice to have conformation.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Jim on January 18, 2014, 10:02:39 AM
Any more news on the android version? I'd assume that it is being worked on as announced, but it would be nice to have conformation.
Agreed. & I respect both your reason for wanting to know because all of my friends have android devices. It's frustrating to tell them it's not available yet, but I can understand from a developers standpoint that it takes awhile to get approval & set everything up. I'de say, just hang tight, it's being worked on!
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Capt. Stokes on April 18, 2014, 12:32:27 AM
Any updates on the android version Ed
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Aram on July 04, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
Any updates on the android version Ed
Ed said on facebook he is working with a developer on a port to android so it could happen but it's not confirmed.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on September 10, 2014, 08:43:57 PM
Any news about the Android version?
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: pinoy_bro on September 10, 2014, 10:12:14 PM
Hey Ed can u put Survivor Z in the Galaxy S4's cuz i searched up Survivor Z but gave me ZDay any reason y ZDay is on but not Survivor Z
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Jim on September 11, 2014, 05:20:18 AM
Yea Ed my own mother asked me why SurvivorZ isn't available on the stores and I couldn't really give her a logical explanation. Ed I don't know why you're holding back with that because a lot of people don't have the iPhone or iPods & I think youde really benefit from it. When I tell people about the game and say it's only available for the iPhone, they dismiss it & say "that's cool, but I can't play it!" It's very frustrating to hear that
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: spiKe trap on September 11, 2014, 06:36:44 PM
Yea Ed my own mother asked me why SurvivorZ isn't available on the stores and I couldn't really give her a logical explanation. Ed I don't know why you're holding back with that because a lot of people don't have the iPhone or iPods & I think youde really benefit from it. When I tell people about the game and say it's only available for the iPhone, they dismiss it & say "that's cool, but I can't play it!" It's very frustrating to hear that

Here's the explanation.
Ed and the team are trying to Finish the iOS version completely and implement as many new features as they can before making it for android
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Jim on September 11, 2014, 06:42:02 PM
Yea Ed my own mother asked me why SurvivorZ isn't available on the stores and I couldn't really give her a logical explanation. Ed I don't know why you're holding back with that because a lot of people don't have the iPhone or iPods & I think youde really benefit from it. When I tell people about the game and say it's only available for the iPhone, they dismiss it & say "that's cool, but I can't play it!" It's very frustrating to hear that

Here's the explanation.
Ed and the team are trying to Finish the iOS version completely and implement as many new features as they can before making it for android
I'll believe it when I see it Daryl! More people play on differnent devices than iPhone & iPod that I've met
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on September 11, 2014, 08:51:53 PM
I was waiting to get and Android just because the Survivor Z game....i got tired to wait and now i cant play anymore...
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: USArmyRanger on September 14, 2014, 08:51:24 AM
I really hope this game is added to android, because my ipod is dying and I don't think I'll be getting a new one, but I really love this game. I would buy it on android (even if I would have to repurchase all my city passes and other stuff).
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: pinoy_bro on September 14, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
I really hope this game is added to android, because my ipod is dying and I don't think I'll be getting a new one, but I really love this game. I would buy it on android (even if I would have to repurchase all my city passes and other stuff).
Bro if u still remember ur account u can log in 2 it nd still have ur stuff
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: USArmyRanger on September 15, 2014, 04:30:39 AM
I know that, but I'm not going to buy another ipod unless this game doesn't make it to android. It would be so much nicer to have on android but if it isn't added I suppose I'll buy another ipod just for this game.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Ed on September 15, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Aram on September 15, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed
I have an iPhone 5c but from what I know the nexus series and the samsung galaxy series are very popular and would have a good market.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Jim on September 16, 2014, 01:50:45 AM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed
A few friends have a Android Tablet...
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on September 16, 2014, 06:40:12 AM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed
Hi Ed! Thanks to the atention on it.
I have a Motorola Moto G and some of my friends have it too.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: razer64 on September 18, 2014, 12:51:55 AM
Sony Xperia Z series is very popular in asia, I think if the game shows up on market, it could be very popular
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: USArmyRanger on September 18, 2014, 11:29:19 AM
I have a Thrive tablet and a ZTE Majesty phone (I think that's the name of it anyway) to be honest I'm not actually sure how popular either of these devices are, but I hope it will work out. Would love to be able to play this on my phone.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on September 22, 2014, 03:27:02 PM
The versions are different? Its not the same Android?
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on September 29, 2014, 06:41:23 AM
Any news?
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: That1Hunter on October 07, 2014, 01:43:25 AM
Sony Xperia Z series is very popular in asia, I think if the game shows up on market, it could be very popular
Amen to that
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: EDRUT SCSSRHNDS on December 26, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
I have a Galaxy S5 and will wait patiently for the Android version. Until then, I will play on my son's iPhone 4.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: qwerty on February 06, 2015, 08:46:26 AM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed
I have Xperiaz1f so-02f. I really looking forward to android ver, and i will wait patiently.thanks!
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on November 24, 2015, 08:21:43 AM
Any news about the Android version? Have you guys decided to develop it? Or can i forget about it?
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on December 03, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
I want to play the game again but i dont have iphone anymore..... :'(

Some friends also want to play it....is there any chance to make a trial version? You can make a project on kickstarter or something like that to make some money to develop it... a really miss this game....
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Igro on February 20, 2017, 12:38:13 PM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed

Ed, is there any information about an Android version or you didn't gonna do it? I now have a Moto Z Play.
I hope that you didn't forgot about us Android users.
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: GHosTxShadoux on April 12, 2017, 11:53:31 PM
I would look into developing for the Android platform, but only a limited market.  Let me hear a consensus on what devices you use, and we'll see what we can do.  But I am anticipating several dozen devices mentioned, all completely different in every way.  But let's try it anyway.  What Android devices should we target?

Ed

I use an ASUS Zenfone 3 Laser. I was a huge fan of this before my iPhone broke, and my carrier would not let me get another iPhone for some dumb reason.


Anyways, I had some other thoughts on this issue.
Why not just put the app in .apk format and, instead of releasing it on the app store right away, release it here first. Let the community here test it for you, and we will let you know if things need tweaking. For this beta test version, you could tweak things in such a way that the Android users would be kept separate from the Apple users. Then, once you know for sure that the basics work across the board, you could phase them together by regions and then work out any kinks that pop up from trying to merge the two. Then when things seem like they are down pat, you could release it in the Google Store.

If money is an issue, make a kickstarter, or a Gofundme, or something. I guarantee we will fund it.

I don't know if this helps in anyway whatsoever, but it certainly can't hurt for me to say it. You could also look into using steam, and that way at least it would be available for us to use on our laptops or tablets. :P
Title: Re: ANDROID VERSION - Why isn't there one?
Post by: Stigger on April 20, 2017, 11:29:07 PM
I want to play the game again but i dont have iphone anymore..... :'(

Some friends also want to play it....is there any chance to make a trial version? You can make a project on kickstarter or something like that to make some money to develop it... a really miss this game....

I'm in the same situation. Luckily, my brother has the game running so I get to play every once in a while.